March, 2020
Our next conversation was actually supposed to be the first, I’ll just leave that there. We’re in NYC, chatting to a good mate.
I worked with Oje at Moment a now defunct design consultancy in Soho, NYC. I think we gravitated towards each other because we were the only black designers and also African.
Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Where were you born and grew up?
I was born in Toronto, Canada but my parents are from Nigeria and I lived there for a few years as a kid. I guess I “grew up” in Austin, Texas, but I’ve been in New York longer than I’ve lived anywhere else - still don’t consider myself a New Yorker, though.
How did this upbringing play a part in your career choice?
I’m a digital designer, started as a graphic designer but moved more to digital product design over the years. I think that growing up all over the place in such different cultures made me curious about people and why they do what they do. In my mind, being curious about people is the base requirement if you want to design anything people enjoy using.
If the whole designer thing didn’t work out what would you be doing with yourself?
Ideally? Traveling the world as a photographer for independent lifestyle magazines like Cereal, Kinfolk, Another Escape, Works that Work, etc. Homebase would be a small modern cabin in the desert or woods, with a fireplace and plenty of firewood.
Why aren’t there many black digital designers?
I think a lot of it is just exposure to the design world. I think in black culture, it’s very easy to see what a graphic designer might do for a living, but Design Researcher? User Experience? Design Strategist? The path is probably a bit easier to navigate now with structured programs existing at design schools, but I had to create my own major to find something between Graphic Design and Computer Scientist.
Living in New York City. What is the best and worst thing about NYC?
The best thing for me is always crossing a bridge and seeing NYC alive at night, it’s usually when I’m most grateful to be here and think about how there are a lot of people that live and die dreaming of visiting The City just once. The worst? For me, it’s just the grind. People here are very focused on their careers, at the expense of everything else.
What is your favorite museum in NYC
The Guggenheim. Well designed with a clear start and end. You’re also not just staring at a grain of rice in a cube of jello, trying to extrapolate the meaning of life.
Why do creatives in NYC always seem to wear black?
Black never goes out of fashion, you know this.
How many cameras do you own and what was your first camera?
I’ve lost count, but I only have two digital cameras. The rest are all film cameras. My first real camera was the Visitor v3800N, purchased for a film photography class in undergrad. I remember it cost $200, and that was A LOT to me at the time. I don’t even think they make it anymore.
What was your first computer?
It was an Acer, we sure as hell couldn’t afford a Mac back then. I remember it had a 56k dial-up modem, I was hyped.
Before the whole android vs apple thingy. What was your first dumbphone? And would you use one today?
Motorola StarTAC, hell yeah I’d use it today. The thing was slick. I think it was the first-ever flip phone, felt like I was a secret agent when I answered it.
What is the worst piece of advice you’ve ever received?
Some fool instructor in undergrad tried to convince me I should be a sculptor. I mean who knows, maybe I’d be a millionaire if I’d taken up sculpting but I doubt it.
What is the one advice you would give your young black self-starting out in the design industry?
Dream bigger. I’m notoriously a slow starter, I think I set myself back by being too conservative in terms of setting goals when I was younger.
Who was the last person you texted?
Probably my wife. I’m not a big texter or digital communicator in general, sometimes it’s a problem.
What was the last thing you ate?
I made a bangin’ Nigerian chicken and beef stew over the weekend because I was feeling homesick for some of the classic African food.
What was the last film you watched at the cinema?
The Gentlemen by Guy Ritchie, it was a good time.
Who would play Oje in a Hollywood biopic? And what would be the name of the film?
Too Tall to Fail. Obviously, I’d play myself and go full Tommy Wiseau.
Where was the last place you went on holiday and why?
We go to upstate New York a lot, nice to get out of the city and spend some time in nature.
What are your top five creatives in any industry?
Virgil Abloh, Dieter Rams, Naoto Fukasawa, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Stanley Kubrick
Now, here are ten quick-fire questions. Nike or Adidas?
Nike
Wholefoods or Trader Joes?
Trader Joes
Morning person or night owl?
Night owl
Kobe or LeBron?
Kobe
Summer, Autumn, Winter or Spring?
Autumn
Country or city?
Country
Tea or coffee?
Coffee
In n Out or Shake Shack?
Whataburger
Tupac or Biggie?
Biggie
Hasselblad or Leica?
Leica
Lastly, finish the sentence. “Donald Trump is …”
…America’s Mirror
Check out Oje’s prints! Also, his dope insta @oihonvbere
Cheers mates!